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kennysoldwife Posts : 3,859 Registered: 4/28/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 9:24 AM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

You are right very impressive.  I would have to agree with this blogger. 

 


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PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 10:27 AM Go to message in response to: kennysoldwife

I know.  That summed it up for me every well also. 


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MsDenuninani Posts : 3,962 Registered: 3/16/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 11:12 AM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

I've heard a lot of conservative friends and bloggers say something similar.  And many of them say that McCain lost their vote when he chose Palin, because it undercut everything they thought McCain stood for.

I saw the infomerecial last night.  To be honest, for me it was pretty cheesey.  But I still got a little verklempt when they focused on the families.  It reminded me, again, about everything that is at stake.

Ironically, the economic meltdown is actually good news for my hubs and I -- we'll get more business.  I have great healthcare; I'm young enough that I'm not worried about my stock portfolio. The housing crises has actually increased the likelihood that I CAN buy a house since I live in the middle of a pretty expensive area.  And gas prices don't effect me -- I take the metro.  Most importantly, while I am not anywhere near making a quarter million, it's concievable if we decide to get on that path.  But all that feels so completely beside the point, particularly when I see the families like those I watched last night.

Anyway, I'm rambling now.   That was a good piece - thanks for sharing it.


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MsDenuninani Posts : 3,962 Registered: 3/16/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 11:22 AM Go to message in response to: MsDenuninani

By the way, I just got an e-mail from my closest friend in the whole world (we've been friends since we were 11) and she mentioned that she and her husband had actually hosted a dinner party for Bill Ayers a few years ago.  I had no idea, but it makes sense because she and her husband are teachers in Detroit and lots of their social circle are community organizers and people working for education reform.  She said a mutual friend asked them to host the party and she said "sure" and didn't think anything of it.  She said Bill Ayers is a really smart and cool guy and a really amazing teacher. 

Anyways, I just thought that was kinda funny and that I'd share.  Turns out my best friend - and one of my bridesmaids - is a terrorist sympathizer.  Oops!


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kennysoldwife Posts : 3,859 Registered: 4/28/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 12:29 PM Go to message in response to: MsDenuninani

So MsD does that make you a terrorist sympathizer by association?  I think that is so cool that an ordinary person has a favorable opinion about someone who has been so picked on over the pass few months. 

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MsDenuninani Posts : 3,962 Registered: 3/16/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 4:13 PM Go to message in response to: kennysoldwife

I think it makes me a terrorist sympathizer sympathizer.  Or, since I pretty much have always agreed with my friend on people -- she being an excellent judge of character, I'm probably just a plain ole terrorist sympathizer.

Stuff on the web:

First, a fun sign: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/campaign-sign-o.html

Then a little history lesson:

Compare this map: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

with this one: http://www.civilwar.com/content/view/135929/84/

The first is an electoral map by state, and the second is a map of USA and the Confederacy before the civil war.  Kinda freaky, ain't it?


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kennysoldwife Posts : 3,859 Registered: 4/28/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 4:49 PM Go to message in response to: MsDenuninani

Love the sign.  It is kinda freaky, the map is the same after 150+ years.

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PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 8:12 PM Go to message in response to: kennysoldwife

Check this out - it's hysterical!  Ohio's Humane Society is having a Kitty Caucus.

Who Pooped in the Ballot Box??

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-128190


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hellokitty4ever Posts : 740 Registered: 6/6/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 9:27 PM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

Charlotte, that is my point exactly...using religion to make laws is insanely illogical and destructive. 

Luvathena...I feel you too.  Prop 8 just reminds me of the Civil Rights Movements all over again.  I can't believe there are so many narrow minded people out there, well, especially here in SoCal.  I really do hope people can see the light.  I just hope that 30 years from now, those who opposed gay marriage will look back and think to themselves, "Man oh man, how stupid was I?"



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PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 9:38 PM Go to message in response to: hellokitty4ever

I just hope that 30 years from now, those who opposed gay marriage will look back and think to themselves, "Man oh man, how stupid was I?"

I hope so too, but realistically given that people 30+ years later still think that African American citizens shouldn't have rights, well...  that sort of speaks for itself.


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hellokitty4ever Posts : 740 Registered: 6/6/07
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Posted: Oct 30, 2008 10:04 PM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

Pharm, I completely agree with you on that one.  It's amazing how many individuals think that way. 


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MsDenuninani Posts : 3,962 Registered: 3/16/07
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Posted: Oct 31, 2008 10:03 AM Go to message in response to: hellokitty4ever

Well, just to add to that thought, here's a really twisted statistic:

When it comes to supporting gay rights, African-Americans are the least supportive group in California -- with 58% against gay marriage. 

In fact, some people think that high black turnout for Barack Obama in CA makes it more likely that Prop 8 will pass.

Kinda makes me shake my head and wanna say my people, my people.


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cyndi33 Posts : 2,585 Registered: 1/3/07
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Posted: Oct 31, 2008 10:36 AM Go to message in response to: MsDenuninani

Another hate mail, received from my favorite SIL.  Angers me...she knows who I support and so I replied back, yet again, and have included my reply.  HOpefully it doesn't come across as too bitchy, but I HATE this vile crap.  Here's the hate mail and my reply.  All BS which has been debunked repeatedly, but clearly truth is not something the people circulating this are interested in.

here's the "letter"  oh, and it closes with gun control platforms.  Cute. Sorry, it's really long. 

I know that many of you are sick and tired of all this political BS but if you read just one more thing between now and next month's election, I urge you to read the following editorial. I don't know who "Michael Masters" is or what he does, but he does write cogently and well. A Google search turns up a Michael Masters who is a lawyer in Philadelphia , but I don't believe that he is the author of this open letter. There is a "Michael C. Masters" who lives in McLean , VA – I presume, but do not know, for sure, that he is the author. However, he didn't show up in any Google searches that I conducted, so I guess he isn't "notorious" enough to be found. I look at that as a good thing, however. On the surface, that suggests he is just another citizen like the rest of us and has no particular ax to grind. However, he HAS done his homework before writing this editorial.

 

To Barack Hussein Obama,

 

The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted.   While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

 

The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted.   In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year.   The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly.  While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

 

Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about "race" contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America .   While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.

 

In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without "preparations" at lower levels ... Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin ... while the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered "I would" to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without "any" preconditions.  While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.

 

On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work.   While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.

 

You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately ... not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim.  While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.

 

You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar ... and it failed.  The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate.  You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party.  While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.

 

In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a "Captain" of a platoon in Afghanistan "the other day" when in fact yo u had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanistan .  You lied in that debate.

 

In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a "professor of Constitutional law" when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law.  In this last debate, you were careful to say that you "taught a law class" and never mentioned being a "professor of Constitutional law."  You lied last spring.

 

You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.

 

You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio-fuels, especially corn ... and he was right ....  corn is too expensive at producing ethanol,  and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food.   You distorted the truth.

 

You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden.   You lied to America .

 

You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural.  You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected.   While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.

 

You did not take an active role in the rescue plan.  You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn ... who all helped cause the financial problems of today ... and they all made major contributions to your campaign.   While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.

 

You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn.  Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator ... and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions.  Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns.  You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you.  While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America .

 

During your campaign, you said: "typical white person."  "They cling to their guns and religion."  "They will say that I am black."  You played the race card.  You tried to label any criticism about you as racist.  You divide America .

 

You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax reductions.   You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn.   Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it.   While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America .

 

The drain to America 's economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP).  You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities.  Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear.  You are lying to America .

 

Mr. Obama, you claimed that you "changed" your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004.   The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008  spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org).   You are lying to America .

   

Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA .  They eliminated religion from our history.  They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade.  They bring their personal politics into the classrooms.  They disparage conservatives.  They brainwash our children.  They are in it for themselves ..... not America .    Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans?  You are deceiving America . 

 

Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else. 

Your character looks horrible.  While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric.  You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.

    

1.  You lied to America .  You lied many times.  You distorted facts.  You parsed your answers like a lawyer. 

 

2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.

  

3.  You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.

 

4.  You divide America about race and about class.

  

Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain:   War hero.  Annapolis graduate with "Country first."   Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years.  26 years in the Senate.  Straight talk.  Maverick.  54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats.  Never asked for an earmark.  The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.

 

Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means.  You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated.  Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming.  Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton.  Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed.

 

Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character.   It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty. 

Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character.  Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches?   Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain?   Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview?  Of course not.  So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest?  Why do they excuse your dishonesty?   Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security .... and you are preying on their fears with empty promises  ... and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for "change" like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932.  The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was.   They loved his style.  Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you ... your style has camouflaged your dishonesty .... but many of us see you for who you really are   ... and we will not stop exposing who you are every day,  forever if it is necessary.

   

Mr. Obama, you are dishonest.  Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.

   

Mr.  Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.

   

Mr. Obama, you are not the "change" that America deserves.  We cannot trust you.

 

Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief. 

 

Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements.  And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character.  The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships.   The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves .... just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon ... Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events ...  false witness ... perjury ...  your relationships and bad judgments are bad on their own .... but your lies are even worse.

 

Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late.  We need to do the job that the media will not do.  We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America  understands who you really are before election day. 

 

Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve.  And God help America if we deserve you. 

 

Michael Master

McLean, Virginia

 

 

 

The Official Democratic and Republican Positions on Gun Control

DEMOCRATIC PARTY PLATFORM ON GUN CONTROL . . .
The Democratic National Committee has released its official party platform including its position on gun control: "We believe that the right to own firearms is subject to reasonable regulation, but we know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact and enforce commonsense laws and improvements -- like closing the gun show loophole, improving our background check system, and reinstating the assault weapons ban ..."View the official platform (Firearms section is on Page 48).

Obama never met an anti-Second Amendment law that he thought was unreasonable or that he thought wasn't "common sense".  He never met an anti-gun law that he didn't like.

REPUBLICAN PARTY PLATFORM ON GUN CONTROL . . . The Republican National Committee has released its official party platform including its position on gun control: "We condemn frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers, which are transparent attempts to deprive citizens of their rights. We oppose federal licensing of law-abiding gun owners and national gun registration as violations of the Second Amendment.
We recognize that gun control only affects and penalizes law-abiding citizens, and that such proposals are ineffective at reducing violent crime." View the official platform (Firearms section is on Page 51).

 And my reply:

Kindly take me off the hate mail list.  Vote for who you choose, every american citizen 18 and over has the right to do the same and I already have.  and, as far as research goes I've already done my own and I don't get it from spam mail.  If you really want the facts, there are many web sites available such as factcheck.org, politico and snopes.  But...given the content included in this thing, I don't think "truth" is the point.

cyndi

 

 


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kelleyiskelley Posts : 11,590 Registered: 7/2/06
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Posted: Oct 31, 2008 10:46 AM Go to message in response to: cyndi33

Cyndi - they are getting desperate. They see the finish line now and the projected winner and they know theres nothing they can do about it,and so they are pulling out ALL the best hate crap they can find. Your reply was perfect. That stupid email doesnt deserve any more attention than that. We are days away from this thing being over. And thank God for that.

ANyone else still thinking the Republicans have something up their sleeve that they will pull out like two days before the election??? Im just piccturing McCaine standing with Bush - with Osama Bin Laden in between them and a big sign that says "WE GOT HIM AMERICA!!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.... Again."

I put nothing past these people.


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cyndi33 Posts : 2,585 Registered: 1/3/07
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Posted: Oct 31, 2008 11:07 AM Go to message in response to: kelleyiskelley

ANyone else still thinking the Republicans have something up their sleeve that they will pull out like two days before the election??? Im just piccturing McCaine standing with Bush - with Osama Bin Laden in between them and a big sign that says "WE GOT HIM AMERICA!!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.... Again."

I put nothing past these people.

Nor do I.  And yes, I keep wondering what they will do next, or try next, and each day it seems they come up with some new, desperate act or statement.  So, we will see.  Also wondering what the polls will be like and what, if anything, will happen to try to suppress the vote.  Very interested which is why I'm poll watching.  Sadly, means I can't go to the last Obama rally, Saturday in Pueblo,  because I have to get the training done then so that I can volunteer Tuesday.  but, if I can help, at all, to make sure everyone who is entitled to vote can vote, it's worth it.  Though I'd of loved to go to at least one rally this time since I'm finally in a state where they campaign.  

He did a great job on Rachel Maddow last night.  Loved the interview and also, his vision for our future.  It continues to be so inspiring and hopeful.  At least it will be over soon and our decision will have been made...I hope fairly.


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