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DoesntPlayNice Posts : 809 Registered: 12/17/08
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Posted: Nov 6, 2009 8:48 AM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

Pharm I feel the same way too mostly...but this one really hit home because it was a soldier shooting other soldiers. Its very sad.

Here is one of the articles about it on CNN

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

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Ebby102310 Posts : 57 Registered: 2/3/09
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Posted: Nov 6, 2009 4:05 PM Go to message in response to: DoesntPlayNice

DPN: I might be late, but I saw this yesterday online when it broke. The problem is that currently, in Cleveland, Ohio we are dealing with the fall-out of the guy who had 11 bodies in his house, and honestly, one of the reasons we saw it yesterday was because there was a concern that the Ohio national guard was on the base. They updated us to let us know that they weren't stationed there.

Right now, I think that news is trying to figure out which tragedy to report first, sadly the Cleveland one was still being reported over the Shootings.

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kelleyiskelley Posts : 11,593 Registered: 7/2/06
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Posted: Nov 8, 2009 1:18 AM Go to message in response to: newsjunkie

THE HOUSE JUST PASSED THE HEALTH CARE BILL!!!!!
This is huge.
I know the Senate still has to pass it, but wow, a really big first step in the right direction. Finally!

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myra Posts : 5,555 Registered: 3/28/06
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Posted: Nov 8, 2009 1:34 PM Go to message in response to: kelleyiskelley

Good first step. Just pray (or whatever you do!) that we get a really good final bill. And, get out there, people. Let your senators hear from you. I have to believe that the vast majority of the American people want this, although you'd never know it from the propaganda that's flying around. Make your voices heard!
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cyndi33 Posts : 2,585 Registered: 1/3/07
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Posted: Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM Go to message in response to: myra

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/08/lieberman-filibuster-public

I don't know how the heck to post video here, or an actual, clickable link. But here's the idiot, of course on Faux news, talking about filibuster. ahhhhh.

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BirdLover Posts : 2,835 Registered: 3/30/06
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Posted: Nov 10, 2009 3:15 AM Go to message in response to: myra

Ooh, can anyone give me any more info about the health care bill? Are there any specifics?

As for the military, I'm kinda with Bally on this. But I also agree in a way where DPN said "your heart has to be into it". The problem is, what if your heart STOPS being in it? It's really hard to get out. And that's what I hate about it - being in the military seems to actually give you less rights than a regular citizen. I don't know, I definitely see where Bally says there is a bit of a "raising killers" mentality.

I also know that there are a ton of problems with stress-related factors and the military, whether it's soldiers killing themselves over sears, coming home and abusing their families (whereas before, they had never even come close)....and from what I understand (DPN you might have more insight into this) the military kinda drops the ball AFTER you arrive home. I remember reading one case about it that was disheartening at how much this one man was just "dropped" once he got home and was having problems.

It seems that the shooter really, really wanted out of the military. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was some kind of stress-related incident. It doesn't make it at all okay, of course, but that might help explain it. I mean, how else can you explain it?

With that said, some people really do crack to the point where they aren't really in control of their actions, and it's totally legitimate. It doesn't sound like he was one of those people, though. Is he still alive?

I also heard that a female officer who had been shot twice was being considered one of the heroes by taking down the shooter...does anyone know if she is okay?
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DoesntPlayNice Posts : 809 Registered: 12/17/08
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Posted: Nov 10, 2009 8:45 AM Go to message in response to: BirdLover

Bird....when you get home from overseas there are plenty of options available to you for PTSD. The only issue is YOU have to take initiative. I mean I have been home for over 2 years now and I still get calls from the VA asking how I am doing and if I need their services. If I do need their services all i have to do is make an appointment....so its up to the person if they need help or not. I did come home with PTSD...I had nightmares and panic attacks. I occasionally have a relapse like when the tire on the metro bus exploded and I freaked out for a just a sec. I did go to counseling and took medication for a little while.

Getting out as an NCO is easier than it is being an officer. I don't remember the specifics though. I do agree that once you want out it should be made a little easier. The discharge should be a "general" discharge and you should be required to pay back any bonus or college fund that you used (since you broke the contract)

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myra Posts : 5,555 Registered: 3/28/06
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Posted: Nov 10, 2009 1:10 PM Go to message in response to: DoesntPlayNice

My husband was an Air Force psychiatrist during the Viet Nam War. By and large, the psychiatrists stayed in the US--the soldiers were airlifted out of the war zone. He was surprised to hear that, in the Hassan case, superior officers were countermanding the psychiatrists' prescriptions to get these people out. He said it never happened to him during his time in the service. A person who wants "out" very badly cannot be good for the rest of his or her fellow soldiers or their mission. Whether Hassan had a breakdown or just wanted out for religious reasons, he should have been gone (and, yes, should have paid back for his education, if that's what it took). Not all of the facts are in yet in this case, so the cause(s) of this horrific event are not known, but when doctors support dismissing a soldier, he should be dismissed.
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BirdLover Posts : 2,835 Registered: 3/30/06
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 2:34 AM Go to message in response to: myra

DPN - saying that people with PTSD need to be willing to "take the initiative" is kinda an oxymoron. Since a symptom of mental illness is sometime being unable to take care of yourself...

But in general, it seems that the military (not just the USA, also in Canada and I'm sure in other countries) do often drop the ball...which is really sad...
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DoesntPlayNice Posts : 809 Registered: 12/17/08
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Posted: Nov 16, 2009 8:49 AM Go to message in response to: BirdLover

Bird: If the people with PTSD are still in the military when they return from war it is a little different as they have their command to watch over them. Your commander can order you to seek help if needed. For people like me who got out when I got home from war...we are the ones who have to take initiative. I'm sorry but there is no way the military can follow around thousands of soldiers to make sure they don't need help. Like I said I continiously get calls from the VA asking if I need help. If you have PTSD you usually KNOW you have it...it doesnt make you a crazy lunatic that doesnt allow you to understand right from wrong and you most certainly are capable of knowing if you need help. I don't think the military has dropped the ball...there are TONS of programs out there...but they can't follow you around every moment of every day to see if you actually need it.

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BirdLover Posts : 2,835 Registered: 3/30/06
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Posted: Nov 18, 2009 1:20 AM Go to message in response to: DoesntPlayNice

Ulgh, it's driving me nuts that I can't find the article online that I had read before as an example of what I'm talking about. I'm sure the military doesn't always drop the ball on mental illness, but some direct quotes about this one (which may well have been a Canadian case, I'm not sure) were pretty horrible.


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PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,462 Registered: 8/30/07
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Posted: Dec 28, 2009 5:05 PM Go to message in response to: ChelsRae85

I don't know who is familiar with this story about the son who was taken to Brazil for a supposed 2 week vacation by his Brazilian Mom who stayed there and divorced the American dad. He's been trying to get custody or even visitation with his son - his ex wife died and the step father tried to adopt the boy. This had been going on for years. The father finally got his son back on Christmas Eve -

David Goldman: Sean hasn't called me 'Dad' yet
In his only interview since
his dramatic Christmas Eve reunion with the son for whom he has waged a
five-year international custody battle, David Goldman revealed that Sean, 9, has
yet to call him Dad. "But now we're together and we'll heal," Goldman
said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34601024/ns/today-today_people/from/ET

 

 

 

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MrsSy Posts : 504 Registered: 7/6/08
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Posted: Dec 28, 2009 6:45 PM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

Pharm, Didn't know about this story. I wonder if the kid remember his dad.

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CatStandish Posts : 2,767 Registered: 6/20/08
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Posted: Dec 28, 2009 6:57 PM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

I've been following it. I feel for the dad and for the boy. But I have no sympathy at all for his Brazillian family, who, IMHO, abducted him. His mother kidnapped him and took him away, intentionally keeping him from his father. And her family furthered that when she died by not letting the father have him.

The grandmother who said that the international treaties didn't have the best interest of the child at heart because he wanted to remain with his family, the one who consoled him through his mother's death last year, has no logic behind her. She (and the family) selfishly aided her daughter in kidnapping her grandchild, without taking the needs and best interest of the child into consideration.

I can understand why Sean hasn't called his father "Dad". He's a child who has been removed from really the only environment he knows, and being taking to a new country. He is confused. But this is the result of the behaviour of his selfish mother and his selfish family in Brazil. He should have been allowed a relationship with his father, who has been trying to have one for 5 years.

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PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,462 Registered: 8/30/07
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Posted: Dec 28, 2009 7:24 PM Go to message in response to: CatStandish

I'm happy the father finally had his child back. I think he understands why he hasn't called him Dad and seems understand that it will take time. Also, I think it was big of the Dad to offer to let the grandmother see the boy - it's more than most people would do in that situation - but I do agree that it would be in the best interest of his son to still have contact.

 

 

 

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