NWR Current Events Thread

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cyndi33 Posts : 2,585 Registered: 1/3/07
Re: Early Voting
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 12:01 PM Go to message in response to: kelleyiskelley

He's also on daily show tonight, and then tonight?  soon...he and Clinton together in Orlando at midnight.  cool.  We are definitely dvr ing everything.  We are behind on all since we were gone for a week in WI and had no cable.  But, the wedding was beautiful and it was so nice to see Tash again, we hadn't seen her since our wedding...way way too long.

her in laws suck, but at least they refuse to come to their house cause of the cats, so they only stalk by cell phone (very, very passive aggressive people, it was really kinda amazing) I was prepared to be feeling much more awkward due to presence of Tasha's birth dad (who I had not seen since right after high school) but that actually wasn't too, too weird.  went ok.  But the in laws...good lord...they are something else, that's for sure.  Makes me realize up close and personal how amazing MY in laws are!!!  For any of you who have in law issues to dealw ith...I definitely now understand.  

I am just enjoying, election wise, watching each day for the latest implosion with mccain/palin campaign.  And, counting the minutes until it's over.  I'm poll watching at a school here the day of, so will be a long day.  6:30 am till all voters have voted.  We voted a couple weeks ago by mail.  Hopefully poll watching ends up being boring, that'll mean no shenanigans! At least at that one polling location anyway.


kelleyiskelley Posts : 11,590 Registered: 7/2/06
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 1:24 PM Go to message in response to: newsjunkie

My Clips O The Day:


A preview of tonights BarackObama special

Ricky Gervais and Thanie Newton read from the porn script "Naylin Palin"

Thanks Keely

Keith Olbermann calls Sarah  Palin a socialist :)

and a marxist

Is Obama a Socialist--not according to the man running as a Socialist candidate---BRILLIANT BIT from The Colbert Report!

McCain donor a mystery

Joe the Plumber is psycho

Tina Fey on Conan

ENJOY and LAUGH!!! Its almost over.....

Check out the Wedding Planner Buzz and My Blog @ www.myaislerunner.com

WATCH OUT "Bleight-ers".TEAM KICK-ASS (LittleRoo,Cyclist,MrsFord,OldAmy and Kelley) are going to KICK. YOUR. ASS!!!

"When you're born, you get a free ticket to the Freak Show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat." - R.I.P. George Carlin






MsDenuninani Posts : 3,962 Registered: 3/16/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 5:39 PM Go to message in response to: kelleyiskelley

What to do when your Obama lawn sign gets stolen:


My new favorite website: www.poptimal.com

"I'd hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, or insanity, but they've always worked for me." Hunter S. Thompson


kennysoldwife Posts : 3,859 Registered: 4/28/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 5:53 PM Go to message in response to: MsDenuninani

Good for her.  people are nuts.  I will be so glad when 11/5 gets here.

Kenny and Me Perfect Together,  10 years and counting.



Charlotte09 Posts : 1,021 Registered: 2/22/08
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 7:50 PM Go to message in response to: kennysoldwife

I love the Obama spray paint in the lawn. It looks great. Sadly I am sure someone will want to come by and step on it or spray over it. My neighborhood is clearly divided. There is an even number of Obama and McCain signs, and I am crazy and keep track of them. I have also noticed that no ones signs have been stolen. So even though I do think political signs are pretty dumb and tacky and a waste of time since people usually do steal them. I am proud that my neighborhood has not taken this division that far.

And I have to agree with whoever brought up Elizabeth Hassleback. She is a snotty little republican that is for sure, but she looks like a fool. I cannot watch the View because of her. I know that show gets a bad rep from some people, but I seriously do not mind the other ladies, it is Elizabeth who makes me want to puke. As annoying as Roise O'Donnell might be to some people, I loved watching her rip Elizabeth apart. She has gotten worse with this election and has really become a little snot. I do not think she is even remotely respectful towards the Obamas. She might be nice to them in person but then there are a million clips of her on the show and making speeches to republicans and she speaks of them as if they are scum on her shoe. She doesnt have to agree with Obama but he at least deserves her respect, and I never understood when she became the poster child for politics anyway. I cannot trust the opinion of a girl who got famous from a reality show then married a really rich man, her life isnt realistic so I dont think her opinions are either.


PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 9:22 PM Go to message in response to: Charlotte09

Pardon me for a sec -

GOOOOOO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


kennysoldwife Posts : 3,859 Registered: 4/28/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 9:35 PM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

I was very impressed with the Obama program this evening.  I liked how they put it together.  I continue to be so impressed with this man.  I pray he is elected next week.

Kenny and Me Perfect Together,  10 years and counting.



PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 10:04 PM Go to message in response to: kennysoldwife

I taped it.  It won't change my vote, so I don't know if I'll watch it or not.

And the Phillies WON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


kennysoldwife Posts : 3,859 Registered: 4/28/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 10:13 PM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

I saw that.  I was just watching the news it is pure Phandemoium, out there.  It is a long time coming. 

Kenny and Me Perfect Together,  10 years and counting.



hellokitty4ever Posts : 740 Registered: 6/6/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 11:19 PM Go to message in response to: kennysoldwife

Okay yes...Elizabeth Hasselback is super annoying.  Whenever things don't go her way, she gets emotional and loud.  I hate that she responds to a question by asking a question.  That's a red flag right there--stupid is a stupid does.

Okay, here in Cali we have Prop. 8, which is a prop serving to ban gay marriages.  It's a touchy subject here and people have begun to vandalize property (on both sides of the issue).  It's getting ridiculous....it just reminds me of how politics is so dirty sometimes. 

I'm personally a supporter of gay rights and marriages.  I truly think people who impose their personal beliefs on anyone, especially religious beliefs, are insanely naive and stupid.  So, when supporters of Prop. 8 back up their claims that gay marriages are a threat to "traditional marriages" based on the Bible (God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve...that's such a lame line), it gets me a little riled up as to how some people are so illogical and ignorant.  Whatever though.  I saw a car parked at my work place with a big decal on their rear window that read, "Yes on Prop 8"...I looked down at their license plate and on the frame it says, "I have no patience for stupid."  I thought that was funny because it's so ironic. 



Charlotte09 Posts : 1,021 Registered: 2/22/08
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 29, 2008 11:56 PM Go to message in response to: hellokitty4ever

hellokitty, I dont think all people realized that the US does not have an official religion that we have to follow. To me that means you cannot argue religion when making laws. One religion might look down on gay marriage and another might not care. Seriously, out of all the things going on in the world I don't think it is important enough to stop people from getting married. Gay relationships and marriage causes harm to no one. That is the point of having a law is to keep things in order and keep people from getting hurt. The fact that people have to argue about gay marriage shows how biggoted things STILL are and how it keeps getting passed down from generation to generation. I think that is why are are so divided on issues as a country anymore. One half of the country has eliminated certain biggoted ideas and another hasnt, and that gets passed on from children to children. I also think some areas are not diverse enough. If you cannot be around different people and cultures then it is hard to learn and understand them, and people usually reject what they dont understand.


SeasideBride06 Posts : 958 Registered: 4/14/06
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 30, 2008 1:00 AM Go to message in response to: Charlotte09

I'm somewhat obsessed with the election and currently not working, so I spend a fair amount of time reading election news and the comments. One thing really stands out about the comments: Obama supporters talk about why they like Obama. McCain supporters just throw the current smear at Obama--OMG his birth certificate isn't real!! He's a secret Muslim!! 

It parallels the campaigns themselves, Obama and Biden talk about what they're going to do to make things better, McCain and Palin just bash Obama, mostly on stupid, nonsensical things.

It really makes me wonder why people support McCain. Is it because they've just always been Republicans? They're happy to pay high taxes while the wealthy get tax breaks because they hope to be wealthy one day? I don't really encounter any McCain supporters in real life, but I'd love to ask one to provide 3 policy-based reasons to support McCain. I doubt they'd be able to answer. 



luvathena Posts : 929 Registered: 12/10/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 30, 2008 1:01 AM Go to message in response to: hellokitty4ever

Hey Kitty! I know what you mean- I want to put out a sign that says "I'm tired of narrow minded mean people trying to run this country!" And alot of the money support Prop 8 is coming from outside Cali (Utah)

I loved Obama's infomericial tonight. It was so well done. 

And as to Elizabeth Hasselwhatever her name is...I just saw her in Maid of Honor doing a video on how to be the perfect maid of honor, and I thought how perfect that role was for her- reminds me of the 70's when they had a book out on how to get your way in a relationship by manipulating your man. Wish I could remember the name of the book- it was really disgustingly manipulative.

Maggie and Tom-8-31-08


PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 30, 2008 7:19 AM Go to message in response to: SeasideBride06

SeasideBride - OK, I'm Obama supporter, but I can tell you that I run into Obama supporters ALL the time who can't give you one reason policy based that they support Obama.  So it's not just the Repub.

My DH is voting McCain and I know that in general he tends to go with the Repub Party - conservative especially with gov't involvement/big gov't.  So his three reasons right off the top - 1) he feels the McCain is better suited to deal with our military actions - in general he feels that Obama is not ready; 2) he is opposed to the amount of government spending that Obama is proposing (and honestly, I'm a little concerned about it too); 3) he's pro life (don't get me started - we just don't discuss this), etc.

Now, you don't have to agree with him, I don't agree - but I respect his opinion and his right to vote how he wants.  As he says, there are things that he likes about the Repub party and things that he likes about the Dem party, but usually the importance of what he likes about the Repub party usually outweighs the Dem party.

But he WAS going to vote third party b/c he was unhappy with McCain.  But I think the election is so close now, he's voting McCain.

Also, my Mom voted McCain (absentee) - she's also worried about the spending, she's also worried about having a fully democrat controlled Congress with a Dem Pres (i.e. everything for the spending is going to get passed -I'm hoping it means things will get done), etc.

It's unfortunate that often the loudest people are the most ignorant for EITHER side.  Somehow they figure they have to put their ignorance on display.


PharmToxGirl Posts : 5,446 Registered: 8/30/07
Re: NWR Current Events Thread
Posted: Oct 30, 2008 9:02 AM Go to message in response to: PharmToxGirl

This is actually one of THE most impressive things I've seen written - It was a comment in reply to an article in Newsweek.

"Posted By: bizguythinker (October 30, 2008 at 8:19 AM)

I’m not voting for Barack Obama.

I’m voting for truthfulness, honesty, intelligence, a fresh perspective, the guts to take a new approach, and the ability and willingness to put these character traits toward inspiring our country.

Political campaigns are typically a litany of the same old recycled themes from prior elections. The tactics are always the same, too: lie, manipulate, mislead, repeat.

I’m disgusted with many, if not most, of our politicians. When they get in office, they lie, manipulate, and mislead. Go figure. That’s what got them elected. That’s what was “successful” for them. Why not continue doing it?

I can blame it on our political process. It rewards the wrong behaviors.

But the truth is that if we want something better than what we’ve always gotten, we have to vote for something better and different than we’ve always voted for.

Conventional thinking implies that the intelligent voter compare the policies of each candidate and select the one they believe is “right” for this country.

But the truth is that few vote that way. Many label themselves “republican” or “democrat” or “conservative” or… you get the idea. And then we have a new group we can belong to so we don’t feel alone and don’t have to think for ourselves. We can identify with the others like us, look for validation from others who think the way we do and not question whether there is truth in what is being said. We can “belong” to something – a universal human need. We need more courage than that.

An even bigger truth is that nobody, not even the candidates themselves, actually KNOWS what all the right policies are. First of all, the world is a fluid situation, and the policies put forth in a campaign are snapshots in time. One of the biggest mistakes we all make is fixating on a viewpoint or policy and standing by it in the face of changing circumstances. We call those who respond flexibly with changing world situations “flip floppers”, indecisive, just saying anything to get elected. Yes, these can look the same. So we need to look more closely and not be so quick to but a label on everything.

Second of all, even the most knowledgeable experts are sometimes wrong about what the “right” policies are. Just look at our current financial system. Everybody, for decades, has thought that the market would self-regulate by some mechanism of self-interest. We thought that more government oversight would drag on our economy unnecessarily. Every business school economics class and finance class teach the American Capitalism view of the world. And now we find out, unequivocally, that everyone was wrong.

One more truth: The candidates don’t get to decide everything. They have influence, but there are a few hundred other people in Congress who also have a big influence on what actually happens. No candidates tax plan, education plan, or economic plan will materialize 100% if they are elected.

Here’s how I’ve made my decision. Of course it’s more complicated that this, but this gets to the guts of it.

1. After being lied to so many times by so many politicians, I want first and foremost honesty. Truthfulness.

2. After enduring a president who can’t lead because he can’t even speak a coherent sentence, I want a President who can inspire. As a nation we’ desperately need inspiration right now.

3. After seeing stubbornness, arrogant, close-minded, “do it our way or we’ll beat you up” approach to relating with other countries, I want a President who has the emotional temperament to be tough without being arrogant. Someone who has the self confidence and self esteem to pull this off. This means the open-mindedness to try something new.

On the truthfulness front, I’ve watched more closely than ever what the candidates have said. It all started because I was interested in watching their advertising strategy – advertising being my field of work.

For the first time I’ve taken the time to do research and check the facts of the claims each candidate is making. To sum it all up, there is an overwhelming skew in this area. What I found is that both candidates have made misleading or false statements. However, Obama’s are far fewer than McCain’s. In fact, Obama mentions McCain much less frequently than McCain mentions Obama. But the biggest difference is the one I found most surprising. McCain continued to repeat the same false and misleading statements. Over and over again. Whereas Obama repeated his much less frequently, if at all. This same analysis applies to the VP candidates, though subjectively Palin’s claims have been far more outrageous, if less effectively articulated.

My voting decision actually doesn’t need to go farther than this. Dishonesty is a deal breaker.

If I am going to take responsibility as a citizen for changing the biggest problem with our political system – systemic dishonesty – I cannot vote for someone who is trying to win with a primary strategy of lies and misleading statements. Even if their policies are ones I agree more with, I cannot reward their dishonest behavior with a vote for President of the United States of America.

Why? Because what message would I be sending to them, and other candidates?

How you win doesn’t matter, as long as you win. Do whatever it takes to win, even if you have to lie. Values like honesty don’t matter. And when you get into office, go ahead and keep lying, because what got you there worked so well. Lying is okay with me.

If we are going to lead the world, we have to embody certain core values, and honesty is definitely one of them.

Interestingly, I was a huge McCain supporter in 2000. Guess why. “Straight talk”. I wanted honesty then, and someone who would have the guts to stick with it. The McCain who is running now is not nearly the same person as the McCain who ran in 2000.

I’m not voting for Barack Obama.

I’m voting for truthfulness, honesty, intelligence, a fresh perspective, the guts to take a new approach, and the ability and willingness to put these positive character traits toward inspiring our country. "

I just thought I'd share - http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/sprinttotheoval/archive/2008/10/29/raising-arizona/comments.aspx


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